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ARW's avatar

Wow! Great explanation. First time I’ve understood what’s the importance of 10-year Treasuries.

John Griffin's avatar

Yeah, same here.

Rayees Qurayshi's avatar

Likewise

Paul's avatar

Beautifully explained. Thank you!

Steve K's avatar

Very helpful explanation. And alarming. We know that we can neither afford higher rates, nor ultimately avoid them. Which means dollar debasement.

Tung no's avatar

We can afford higher treasury rates. It just means leverage financing become s more expensive and more companies may fail due to financing costs.

Steve K's avatar

That’s one consequence. Consumer credit and mortgage rates are also affected - key components of the U.S. economy.

Pete's avatar

I learned something significant today. The currency swap line to the UAE is likely the first in a series, and the idea of a prolonged war or permanently altered ability for oil revenue to repay the currency swap could trigger unknown results. I'll be following this to gain insights as this evolves.

Pirouli's avatar

Currency swaps don’t get repaid. They get repackaged into AAA loans and sold to pensioners.

Jody Brink's avatar

Honestly, the details of economics make my head hurt. This is a great explanation, and I thank you for that. But, simple as I am and anchored in the hard sciences, the economic system we have seems like it flies in the face of the constraints of the physical world. It will have to change.

Tom Welsh's avatar

"...the economic system we have seems like it flies in the face of the constraints of the physical world".

Exactly. And that, together with the very important fact that most people either do not understand it or could not be bothered to think about it, is why a few people get very rich and others lose everything.

"Bullshit baffles brains".

Jody Brink's avatar

But only temporarily. They can’t fool physics, chemistry and biology.

Tom Welsh's avatar

The catch is that, once money is acquired, there is a ratchet effect. The money can be spent to buy durable assets - especially land. Or gold.

The economic process can't go on indefinitely. So the "smart money" (whom I detest) time their buying and selling, extract cash and assets, then convert them into real permanent wealth.

Although of course no wealth is permanent. It can always be stolen or robbed. And the long run isn't really so long:

"And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: and he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God".

- Luke 12:15-21 (Authorised Version)

Jody Brink's avatar

Yes, land is the foundation of our survival. But gold? Nah. Even money in general. Because it’s only valuable if there’s something to buy with it. The only permanent wealth lies in knowledge and skills, and cooperation. People who only have money are doomed.

Mike's avatar

Gold has been used as money in some form for over 2,500 years. But this time is different???

Jody Brink's avatar

Yes. Because this time, we’re in danger of collapsing the ecosystem we have always depended on. You can’t eat gold, or money. And when you’re more focused on growing food than on making jewelry, gold is useless. We didn’t even have money as a medium of exchange until something like 500 BCE. We survived for millennia without it, and we may have to do so again. You are trapped in the technological paradigm, and can’t see how fragile it is.

Brian Avent's avatar

I find thinking about international finance like contemplating the edge of the universe, I can’t quite grasp what it means.

Tom Welsh's avatar

As George Carlin observed, it’s a big club - and we ain’t in it.

Amanirenas's avatar

That’s because it’s a ponzi scheme dressed as a pseudoscience. So capitalism and the banking system are not tethered to science, democratic governance, social well being or environmental sustainability

Piet Strydom's avatar

All sciences, physical, social and economical are underpinned by the theory of complexity.

Which among other things say that things always spiral. Economies goes boom and bust, mountains grow and get subsumed in plate tectonics, stars from from stardust, only to collapse, explode and give rise to new first for new stars.

Amanirenas's avatar

Using complexity theory to justify predatory capitalism is a misapplication.

Piet Strydom's avatar

Where did I *justify* ANYTHING?

Amanirenas's avatar

“All sciences, physical, social and economical are underpinned by the theory of complexity.”

To state that capitalism or our economic system is natural because complex systems self-organize or because entropy production maximizes, is a naturalistic fallacy.

Complexity theory describes how systems behave (feedback loops, emergence, dissipation), not how they should behave morally or politically. Just because something emerges doesn't make it just or desirable.

Power and predation break the analogy. Real ecosystems have checks like predation, symbiosis, and resource cycling. Predatory capitalism often externalizes costs, hoards resources, and suppresses feedback (regulatory capture, monopoly). That's not self-organization, it's asymmetric power distorting the system.

Entropy production doesn't care about ethics. A system maximizing entropy production might be a hurricane, a candle flame, or a cancerous tumor.

In fact, if predatory capitalism has analogs in nature, they're not the elegant, self-organizing complexity of a forest ecosystem or that of cosmic recycling. They're the ugly, destructive, or degenerative phenomena.

The only natural parallels are pathological: cancer, invasive species, entropic decay, and runaway positive feedbacks.

Maybe you’re not justifying our predatory economic system but your analogy is flawed. It simply doesn’t match the evidence on the ground.

Piet Strydom's avatar

AGAIN: Where did I *justify* ANYTHING?!!!

Amanirenas's avatar

Maybe you should have read my reply all the way to end. You would have found this.

“Maybe you’re not justifying our predatory economic system but your analogy is flawed. It simply doesn’t match the evidence on the ground.”

In any case, if you weren’t justifying capitalism, what were you trying to say with your comparison of capitalism to organically developed, natural systems?

Amanirenas's avatar

It’s too bad you still don’t understand what you wrote but you just quoted a bunch of “Nobel Laureates”, without explaining the context and substance of this conference, to justify your claim that our economy is an organic, natural self organizing system. It’s not. This is perfectly clear now. Within the context of civilization, all economic systems are organized mainly by governments and corporations and is also massively manipulated by a vast number of players and systems. Without political and military intervention “free” markets and capitalism would never exist. Debt: the first 5000 years by David Graeber

The Santa Fe conferences weren't an ideological exercise. Physicists like Anderson and Gell-Mann, and economists like Arrow and Summers, genuinely wanted to understand why traditional equilibrium economics so often failed to predict or explain real-world phenomena: crashes, bubbles, innovation, inequality, and path dependence. They were trying to find descriptive explanations not prescriptive ones. The purpose of that conference was to build better economic models that account for messiness, nonlinearity and evolution, not to justify predatory practices. The economists questioned why physics assumptions like "perfect rationality" were being used, not to argue that chaos is morally good.

Complexity theory is a lens for description, not a license for predation. The Santa Fe conference was about building a richer scientific lens. It was not about giving a moral seal of approval to any particular economic system.

In other words, in case you don’t understand, by borrowing tools from statistical mechanics, ecology, and computer science, real sciences, they aimed to build economic models that better reflect reality. Because the pseudoscience and social construct of economics does not reflect reality with the exception of some pathological phenomena.

American in Exile's avatar

Well written. Good job of stooping to explain in simple terms to those less knowledgable than yourself on financial instruments. Question: If you were made King of the World tomorrow and could rule by edict, A) How would you get out of the current predicament with the least amount of pain, and B) How would you reform or replace this system to end the vulnerability that it creates for the US?

Jay Martin's avatar

Fun question! But my answer might disappoint you...

Reserve currencies rotate through history with cyclic regularity. The Portuguese, the Spanish, the Dutch, the British, and now the Americans - all in just the last 600 years.

Each of them looked permanent at its peak. None of them was. The cycle runs roughly 80 to 110 years, and each time, the ruling empire convinces itself it has discovered some unique exception to a pattern that has held for millennia.

So no king can "fix it" - because what is happening isn't a problem to be solved, it is a cycle to be recognized.

Our job is to figure out where we are in the cycle and how to position accordingly.

Tom Welsh's avatar

"The cycle runs roughly 80 to 110 years, and each time, the ruling empire convinces itself it has discovered some unique exception to a pattern that has held for millennia".

Perhaps nobody cares for the first 50-80 years, because - as Keynes observed - in the long run we are all dead.

And after that there may not be anything that can be done.

I have gradually been realising how many aspects of our glorious industrial civilisation are essentially Ponzi schemes made possible by the shortness of human life.

"Apres moi le deluge".

Phil Denofrio's avatar

Unfortunately money not morality is the principal trade of mankind. Until the reads the way round there is” no fixing it”.

Tom Welsh's avatar

I fear that moral behaviour will not become universal as long as humans and human (rather than angels).

We are in the position of shipwreck survivors in a lifeboat. When such survivors have been rescued, it is usually found that they got organised and governed themselves for the good of all. Selfish behaviour cannot be allowed in a lifeboat - but human civilisations are so big and anonymous that it gets by undenounced and often even admired. (No names, no pack drill).

Gabby's avatar

Ponzi scheme. The perfect description of the markets and financial world today.

Susan's avatar

Thank you Jay for acknowledging that this is part of a cycle! I've felt for years now that it was time for the U.S. to take a step down. It's been fascinating watching my country's demise. This is just part of the process. Being grateful for all that I have and staying grounded is the only way to fly for me:) Oh and thanks for adding another piece to the puzzle of how we're going down, and in a big way. I had an a-ha moment!

Rezwan Razani's avatar

Is it really "cyclic regularity"? It sounds more like just a few hundred years of maritime colonialism, in which different powers pursued dominance and engaged in constant violence. You aren't looking for other examples that would be instructive, such as debt jubilees of yore.

Fortunately for most of us, the cyclic regularity sequence that you refer to seems to be coming to an end, and we are embarking on a multipolar world. Not sure if there are any more maritime colonial powers that can or want to swoop in to take on reserve currency status.

So the question still stands. If you have a magic wand, what spell are you going to cast to shift the world to a better position with the least amount of pain? What are you going to replace this system with? When you say "each time, the ruling empire convinces itself it has discovered some unique exception to a pattern" what you mean is that "each time, the ruling empire hopes it has figured out a way to extend its dominance, but it can't." That doesn't mean a better system isn't possible. Just that this system can't be extended as is.

It's time for a fundamental change to the system - debt jubilee, multiple currencies, local and debtor primacy (instead of creditor primacy and unsustainable compound interest). Time for money to stop being considered a store of value (asset) and simply be a unit of account (utility). With periodic write-downs. That’s the cyclic pattern regularity we’re looking for. But then, that wouldn't result in advantageous positions for those who like to play financial games.

Barney's avatar

I am not completely sure I understand all of your opinion but in my thinking we are about to start another cycle and that is the Chinese dominance. I have been following the Chinese growing influence around the world politically, culturally, economically and militarily. This is a space that. the Americans still occupy in their CYCLE but with decreasing influence. The use of their currency as the World's reserve is under attack as is their military, political, culture and economic influence. They have had a good run but that is eroding.

I may be wrong but I believe that is what Jay is eluding to.

Steven Lord's avatar

To whatever extent our current form of money stops being a store of value (hyperinflation for example), the next best thing will take its place, until a new form of money emerges. Unless one is in a situation where no saving for future needs is allowed (prison, slavery). People will always want to be able to store value, and stable money is the most flexible and efficient option for doing that.

Rezwan Razani's avatar

You don't get rid of money. The money is still there. It's just geared towards functioning more as a unit of account rather than store of value. That means the money itself isn't the treasure, but the things you are doing with it.

How would this look like in practice? To keep the money from being an artificial store of value, you would have more regular debt write-offs (even periodic debt jubilees) and also tax away excess storage value. What this does is shift the incentive structures.

At present, corporations and billionaires get huge tax cuts. So now they have all this money under their control, which they see as a store of value. And they want to increase that store, so they buy back their own stocks. This raises the perceived value of that stock. They get caught up in this game of increasing the "value" of their holdings, rather than accounting for what is actually being materially produced. In contrast, when you keep those taxes in place, or even increase them, the wealthy - who are loathe to pay taxes, will turn around and spend their money back into their capital equipment or wages. And this money goes back into the economy and moves around, in accordance with actual material values that it is keeping track of through each transaction.

Or take housing prices. Right now, with money as a "store of value" - you feel richer when your house costs more. And the cost of houses is determined by how much the bank is willing to lend someone to buy it. And they are incentivized to lend as much as possible, to get more interest. And also, you have the incentive to limit housing builds/stock in order to keep those prices up. Because the bigger the number, the richer you feel. When in fact, people as a whole are poorer for it with the lack of housing, and the great expense, meaning they have to spend many more hours of their lives slaving away to pay for that house. Money-as-asset-rich, real life experience poor.

Now, if the bank was nonprofit, the incentives to jack up the cost and availability of houses would be far less. The money spent on it would be a closer measure of the actual material cost, and supply demand of traditional economic analysis.

When money itself is the store of value, you have all these perverse misincentives that show up. A financialized economy, with huge financialized markups. Far removed from good old fashioned supply-demand practical economics. Of course, we've all been groomed to see the bigger numbers as wealth, and have become disconnected from more genuine, practical measures of wealth.

Steven Lord's avatar

You don’t seem to understand that “store of value” and “unit of account” are inseparable. No one would willingly use a unit of account that did not have a predictable value. If forced to, they would either immediately transfer it to something with durable value, or revert to barter until a new form of money emerged. And in the expectation of your “debt jubilee” (mass theft), no one but a fool would ever lend money. So all economic activity would grind to a halt except for immediate cash or barter transactions. No credit cards, no mortgages, no car loans, no corporate bonds to provide money for businesses to grow. I could go on, but if you don’t understand why your proposals would be a disaster by now, you never will.

What a lot of people don’t understand is that the world of business runs largely on trust. Trust that goods and services ordered will be paid for. Trust that money borrowed will be repaid. Trust that wages and profits earned will not be looted by tax-hungry politicians or hyperinflated away. Trust that promises will be kept. Trust that thieves, robbers, and extortionists will be punished and that peaceful men can go about their business without fear. When that trust dies, society dies with it.

Rezwan Razani's avatar

In a way, the financialized markup is a tax on everyone else in the economy, paid to the people who receive the interest.

Linda's avatar

I’m interested in your80-100 years. The book, “ The Fourth Turning,”. One of Steve Bannons favorite books, talks about every society having to fall apart and be rebuilt. I can see what Trump has done. He has systematically dismantled much of the country on purpose. If he is expecting to usher in the change himself or project 2025 will do it for him. Yes we are in a jam unless you like the way Project 2025 envisions life here in Gilead.

Forged in Fire's avatar

Where are we in the cycle?

Barney's avatar

I believe we are nearing the end of the American cycle and the early beginning of the Chinese cycle. When I look around the world I see the declining American influence on most fronts and the increasing influence. My own country (Canada) is in the early stage of that transition.

Linda's avatar

We have entered the chaos stage, should we stay in this for a decade, possibly longer, then according to the theory, we rebuild and try again.

Barney's avatar

Linda. By we to whom are you referring. I ask as it seems to me that if we are embedded in the American cycle then yes I can see where the chaos is a factor but if we are embedded in the Chinese cycle then I might question it. In my opinion Linda a decade is too short a time frame for the transition of a cycle. I suspect the Chinese with their thinking process are looking at several several decades of slowly replacing America as the dominant world power.

Linda's avatar

Some days I think the Chinese are well and truly ahead of us and gaining everyday. We don’t really know much about their fusion project or their massive energy expansion or their education system or their economy or really much at all. I don’t think our cycle is only a decade, I think it will take a decade to clean things up and then several decades to build back. We don’t have a one man show here. If Xi wants a bridge or a new highway, he has only to order it and it will appear shortly. It takes us forever to do something like that.

As to the cycle, I am having a hard time imagining how this country will handle the coming chaos. Americans are used to a certain level of order and we are spoiled. Add to that we have a level of slowness to act or even make a plan.

Badtimes's avatar

So we are getting close to the end of that one! What the conséquences for the dollars?

Badtimes's avatar

So we are getting close to the end of that one! What the conséquences for the dollars?

Pirouli's avatar

It’s as if there’s a built in dead man switch that prevents evil from permanently taking over.

Adarnell's avatar

so how will this cycle work if the new digital token or crypto currency will be the new gold or silver, will that somehow be taken away like in 1933 when the gold was?

Ian Dawson's avatar

Where do the swap funds that the US extends to UAE come from? Is it printed out of thin air and therefore inflationary?

Jay Martin's avatar

Yes, but not inflationary as long as they are paid back. Think of it as short-term credit extended and then withdrawn. If they become permanent or are defaulted on, then yes, inflationary.

Dimitri Dardanis's avatar

The swap line used was the Treasury’s Exchange Stabilization Fund (ESF), rather than a traditional Federal Reserve swap line.

it would seem that the US administration made this decision from a political perspective and did not include the Federal Reserve in its calculations.

Ian Dawson's avatar

Got it, thanks...

Cal A. Urquhart's avatar

Absolutely, but we create between $200M and $4B out of thin air every single day. Everyone talks about inflation but it was dollar devaluation that really hurt Americans last year.

Ian Dawson's avatar

Are dollar depreciation and inflation not linked at the hip?

Cal A. Urquhart's avatar

Yes. That’s a good way to describe it. They move independently but over time tend to push and pull each other.

sapi3n's avatar

Also what happens if this doesn't stop and keeps on happening? US avoids the rush sell of treasuries but has these "loans" out, what does that mean for the US economy, our assets, Bank accounts, the dollar?

Cal A. Urquhart's avatar

Significant dollar devaluation. It would probably be the second worst outcome behind breaking the petrodollar. If future oil contracts start getting priced in yuan, that will remove huge amounts of liquidity from U.S. equities and make current deficit spending unsustainable.

rainer's avatar

history tells us that the answer to your question is inflation. until there comes a new regime with new currency and because most people do not understand macro economics, will think they are saved. And they are, as long as the then current regime does not destroy the new currency or is not taken over by an adversary with their own currency.

HelioLunatic's avatar

Very interesting analysis. I couldn't agree more with the idea that these loans are a bailout of the US. The US is too big to fail, and all countries know that. These loans are similar to what private credit is doing with their PIK loans. "It’s all good, nothing to see here".

A couple of points:

1. During a crisis, the US has always been the safe haven. That will not change in this crisis, so demand for US treasuries should remain buoyant should it not? That would keep interest rates in check.

2. The US will print the money to lend, but because it will be mostly spent outside of the US, I am thinking that the inflationary effects will be small for the US itself.

3. These loans are still a win for the US because they get income from the loans. I doubt the US will bailout countries that are not backed by assets. These will not be unsecured loans, unless it materially affects the US directly.

I don't think we are at crisis point yet. For that to occur, there will need to be a massive increase in rates and a run. The US government isn't usually the source of a crisis, it starts in some areas of the economy outside of their control. This engineered bailout if it occurs on mass will be yet another way of kicking the can down the road and deferring the consequences. I would say, that most likely scenario is a recession, which will require stimulus, on top of the loans the US is making. Now, that combination, is what will make a recession into a severe depression.

Ben's avatar

I think recession is a valid scenario. No one gains selling Treasuries in large amounts. It’s a lose-lose and everyone knows it. Appreciate you offering this up.

The problem with dominos is they can fall in so many different ways and directions.

Even if you get the first domino right how people react from there is difficult to predict because human behavior has many nuances and differing incentives that can weigh and split in different directions.

HelioLunatic's avatar

Domino's can fall lots of ways, and history says that even the experts don't see it coming. Best we can do is probe the weak points. Private credit is an interesting one. I was reading that just about every pension fund in the world is heavily exposed to private credit (as in invested in the funds that lend to private equity). Supposedly not the biggest player, but if a pension fund has 25% of its fund invested in a 'dog' of a fund that is not marking the adjusted value of their fund because they don't want to reveal the true state of the books, and they default, that is not a good scenario. Also, non-banks are heavily exposed to this sector. A cursory look at those private credit funds that are listed shows a massive bear market underway. I suspect that inflation and interest rates are going to be the catalyst with non-bank defaults beginning the crisis if dominos. The usual response from the fed is to QE, but my question is how much more money can they print if interest rates rise to curb inflation? The inability to easily borrow more money from buyers of US debt, combined with excessive money printing, and bad economic news may be a catalyst as well. If you look at the 10 year bond, it is on the rise, whereas the 2 year is not. That is a bear steepening, which is very bad news because it implies risk premium if the future is higher. This combined with the fact that when the 10yr/2yr spread is inverted, which it was in 2022/2023, usually results in a recession, and we haven't seen that yet, makes me nervous as an investor. I'm watching for the Semiconductor bubble to burst, followed by manufacturers in that space and then AI, then broader tech. Precious metals are looking good!

Ben's avatar

Really good thoughts because this war isn’t happening in a vacuum. There are all sorts of U.S. economic worries that include what you list and shaky consumer confidence.

The pension fund scenario you pointed out has been a worry of mine for some time now. I think you pinpointed some really great detail there I wasn’t seeing not to mention non banks which is a good catch I wasn’t seeing.

The bear steepening as you call it has been going on and I am astounded that we haven’t seen that hit yet. The last thing I read on this threw a dart and said recession probabilities looked prime by the end of May. We will see.

I think the markets are largely under the control of institutional investors and the billionaires too much and they prop up those markets artificially. That said, if a black swan event hits at the wrong time, or the current risks pointed out in this article trigger, then the large investors won’t be able to hold things up.

Really nice work! I learned some things on top of the commercial loans and commercial real estate I have been worried about.

Ben's avatar

Here is little tidbit you might find interesting. I haven’t researched it. Just landed in my feed, but it speaks to other aspects of this oil issue that are beyond financial instruments. So many dominoes.

https://substack.com/@collapse2050/note/c-257045086?r=4lqjfm&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

HelioLunatic's avatar

Yes that is interesting. I suspect that oil issue is a two tiered problem. Those countries that can afford to buy it will, and those who can't won't be able to. Australia, where I am from has piss all reserves, but we can afford to buy at a high price, and we have been. We also supply a lot of natural gas to the world, so we are using it as leverage to ensure we get access to diesel and petrol. Some won't be so lucky. Of course, the high price will flow through to prices soon enough. Our inflation rate is already heading to 5%.

Victoria Chipperfield's avatar

Just wondering if you've noticed reports that "Iran is considering allowing limited tanker passage only if transactions are settled in Chinese yuan". The EU is developing a "digital euro (that) would ensure that central bank money remains universally accessible for everyday transactions, not just in physical form, but also digitally". Countries around the world are looking for options outside of the current systems run by America and the Government has too much hubris to notice.

HelioLunatic's avatar

Yes. There is definitely wrangling going on. I think Bessent knows this. But, even with that, the depth of the capital markets alone guarantees the primacy of the USD. Simply put, no other country can compete - not even close. The USD is still as good as gold as it has maintained its value against various currencies despite pundits claiming it is being debased. It is THE safe haven currency. The US is the biggest consumer market in the world, and those selling to them are happy to do it in USD, because there are lots of places to spend it. So, short of a collapse in the US system, I cannot see the problem. Trying to say the USD is under threat, is like saying that China is under threat as the factory of the world. It is simply not the case. Doesn't of course mean that things will remain that way in the future, but it will take a generation or more for that to unwind.

Ian Dawson's avatar

Is it reasonable to suggest that while the US$ retains its value against other currencies, it is still just the best looking horse in the glue factory? Why, because a new Ford Mustang no longer costs $3500.

HelioLunatic's avatar

😆 🤣 That is a good analogy. I guess we'll see whether they can get their act together. Probably not while they have an orange POTUS 🟠🟠. Do you think his orange haze means he has missed his calling as a hare hare krishna?

Victoria Chipperfield's avatar

A country may not be able to compete, however if you have a look at all the new partnerships and deals that are being done by leaders around the world without America (including OZ where we’ve had Mark Carney and more EU leaders dropping in over the past few months to make deals than I ever remember). It seems the rest of the world is moving on. I guess time will tell.

HelioLunatic's avatar

I don't disagree with that. Regionalisation is the new normal. That is what we are seeing with these partnerships. As Mark Carney says, 'middle powers need to work together'. I'm from Australia, and I think that is a good thing. We have been a US lap dog for too long. I see these middle power partnerships as a hedge against super-power unbridled self-interest.

Richard Pearce's avatar

So if the reports of the Leader of the Revolution (who, unlike Trump has the intelligence and education AND military experience to not just understand a coherent strategy, but craft one, and therefore the ability to modify it to take advantage of unforseen developments) has given the IRGC commanders (with whom he has the sort of deep mutual trust and respect relationship that develops between those who've fought on the front lines of the same war) new instructions, there could be a major development in the offing.

What if the Iranian government proposes a peace deal that Trump can spin as total victory:

Hormuz reopened, the 'highly enriched material' removed from the equation (whether it remains in Iran under the guard of Pakistan’s military, or moved to Pakistan be remains officially Iran's property, having it controlled by a nuclear weapon power can be spun as no longer nuclear weapons material)

But EXCLUDES ISRAEL FROM THE PEACE DEAL AND THE CEASEFIRE

Remember that while the CHRISTIAN ZIANIST influence inside the American and similar GOVERNMENTS, the public opinion polls are showing the deep shift that turned 'Segregation Forever' from an appeal to the center to a declaration of extremism in a single election cycle.

How will Trump react?

How will MAGA react?

How will Democrats react?

How will other governments react?

And how will the MARKETS react

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You if you think that

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Lullybird's avatar

Like it’s done you any good. My goodness. You are the problem that is destroying this country. Your lack of knowledge for sight and this lack of ability to think. Think for yourself professor. Or someone will think for you without thinking of you. Or this is an exactly what you perpetuate. None thinking.

Dan Pembleton's avatar

Super interesting Jay and correct. It caused me to think about this and here is another impact to consider.

What we have happening with the oil draw down, and inventories of other goods, is physical assets (commodities), being converted to financial assets (currency, mainly USD, and swap-lines, T-bills etc.). This is increasing the demand for dollars to buy those commodities, while increasing financial assets and liquidity conditions as the storehouse for those dollars, instead of tanks full of oil.

Is this impact also showing up in the big rally in S&P etc. as financial conditions ease? Will this reverse when oil supply resumes? What will be the dollar demand and swap line repayment impacts aa oil markets starting to normalize?

Deborah Cooper's avatar

Helpful article. Thank you. This is also very alarming situation.

Dude Arrived's avatar

So, is it fair to say that had the U.S. (Trump) not started this war and closed the strait and is keeping it closed for no good reason the UAE, Kuwait and others would not have this cash flow problem?

Rolled Oats's avatar

This seems like a short term dollar strengthening policy of desperation.

katherine's avatar

Having read this - the book 'Iceland's secrets' comes to mind.

Barney's avatar

One thing that I immediately thought of is that if they sell those bonds, who is the buyer? China!!! They will print as many Yuan as will be needed to gain control of the US. I think a worse problem for Trump would be for China to loan to all of these countries thereby gaining increased control of the oil supply. Mr Trump went to war, ok, but his short term thinking was and seems to always be he has little to no concept of long term impacts, and spends 0 time in planning. If he was going to war, hit fast, hit hard, weather the international storm and open the strait. He has allowed this to dither o,n to the point it has impacted not only all of the neighboring community but his own economy. Xi is sitting back having a chuckle.

HelioLunatic's avatar

I don't think that will work. These countries will need US dollars to spend, not Yuan. Nobody uses Yuan to transact, not even China. Everybody uses US dollars in global transactions. Even China holds a truckload in their reserves.

Barney's avatar

I just did a search and over 40 countries now trade in Yuan and more coming. Are you American? Have a search in AI alone and see what is going on out there

HelioLunatic's avatar

No. Not American - what has that got to do with it anyway. Dude. It is not even close. Global Trade: Yuan 8% of global trade v US 50%. Payments: Yuan 3% v US 65%. Share of Central Bank Reserves: Yuan 2% v USD 57%. FX Transactions: USD 90%. The main countries trading in Yuan are the QUAD. Trust me - it is nothing to be concerned about. The Yuan is attached to an authoritarian regime, which is known for coercion, has weak capital markets, capital flight controls because money is exiting. No one wants to make the Yuan the dominant currency. Given that China is the second biggest economy in tje world, and their presence of Yuan is extremely low, does not paint a rosy picture.

Barney's avatar

The issue is the increasing significance of the Yuan in international trade. The use of the Yuan increased from 14% in 2019 to 30% in 2025.

I even have to look at my own Country (Canada). As of January 1, 2026 the Yuan is now accepted as a trade settlement currency between the Bank of Canada and the People's Bank of China. I agree, there is no fear of it becoming the World's reserve in the near future but is increasingly become a major player and has surpassed the Euro now. It is the sanctions and weaponization of the USD that is motivating countries like Saudi, Brazil and Canada to move away from the USD when trading with China. It bothers me but, nothing I can do about it except to recognize the trend and facts.

HelioLunatic's avatar

Not sure where you are getting your figures from, but they are way off. Yuan is used in 3% of global trade, and 6% of global finance. It has increased, and no different to other currency being used for trade. I think what you meant to say was that the Yuan increased in usage by 30% over its baseline....not it is used in 30 percent of transactions. That is just not the case.

If you are interested: https://www.bbvaresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Riding-the-waves-Stocktaking-RMB-Internationalization-Development_edi.pdf?utm_source=copilot.com

Barney's avatar

Where the problem is in that there is one word missing. "should have read Significance of the Yuan in THEIR international trade. I really really really hate it when you are right, but you are when the word Their is excluded.

Tom Welsh's avatar

You seem to have a rather narrow, typically US, view of the world. And you said "Dude". 8-)

Barney's avatar

You might want to check that out as several countries trade and sell oil in Yuan.

Barney's avatar

I just read where as of April 1 Iran is charging the equivalent of $1 US a barrel in any currency other than the USD and there preference is the Chinese Yuan. This charge is from friendly countries in order to ensure safe passage.

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Barney's avatar

Sorry Jay. I am old and slow and cannot quite understand your comment? At 85 I have trouble with the technology. WhtsapMe etc.

Matt's avatar

The way governments play with money is sickening. The losers in all these games have always been the common person just working to make ends meet. These money changers are exactly the kind of people whose tables were overturned by Jesus. This has got to stop.